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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/22/2002 5:48 pm  
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When I was little my Sunday School teachers were all females and all of them wore something called Granny Dresses these were big covering modest dresses that the ladies chose to wear. I didnt know it at the time but by rejecting the mini skirts and short shorts that the world was wearing in those days (late 60s early 70s) they were rejecting this world and living for Jesus.

 

And let me tell you those Sunday school classes Rocked as in Jesus my Mighty Rock and Fortress.

 

I will never forget one Sunday School teacher teaching us about the Church from the book of Acts and when Peter refused to eat the animals in his Vision because they were unclean she diverted the whole study into a study of Leviticus and into the clean and unclean food laws of Israel. Another day that same teacher turned out all of the lights in the classroom and as we sat there in the dark she told us to call light into existence and after about 5 minutes when no one could call light into existence she Read us Genesis 1:3 and how God called light into existence. I didnt understand the Israeli food laws, but I did understand that God is someone very special and that he can do a lot more than I or anyone else can.

 

It is in Honor of all the wonderful Granny Dress Sunday School teachers, that I open this topic.

 

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/22/2002 5:50 pm  
To:  ALL   (2 of 49)  
 
  376.2 in reply to 376.1  
 
From :    
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Subject :    
The Public Undressing of America  
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Mon, 22 Apr 2002 17:34:25 -0500  

Christian Modesty and the
Public Undressing of America
 
 Dear Friends:

     Henry Van Til once observed that "culture is religion externalized." By this he meant that the culture of a nation reflects the true faith of that people. The way a people live their lives, they way they communicate, their philosophy of work, and their approach to aesthetics all reflect the standards and priorities of the people, and those priorities are dictated by their true faith.

     This is why we must recognize that even dress is "religion externalized." Cultures that worship nature and treasure sensuality tend to dress immodestly. Those which make an idolatry out of material possessions, often fall prey to a foppish enslavement to high fashion. On the other hand, cultures which embrace true Christian piety will seek to make personal holiness the driving standard for their dress code. They will develop clothing which emphasizes biblical principles like distinction, functionality and modesty. In short, dress is not neutral.

     Furthermore, dress standards and dress codes are inescapable and inevitable. Whether you realize it or not, you and everyone else have a dress code. You will either have a dress code by design (meaning that you have thought through the moral and philosophical implications of your dress code), or you will have a dress code by default (because you have let others do the thinking for you and have de facto accepted their conclusions), but you will have a dress code.

     Until the 20th century, most Christians understood that dress standards were inescapable. But with the rise of antinomianism (the rejection of God as lawgiver), the resurgence of Gnosticism (the belief that God is not concerned with physical things) and the widespread acceptance of the neutrality postulate (the notion that the Lordship of Christ over human action only extends to "spiritual" matters), many 20th century Christians have simply allowed themselves to be swept away by cultural trends, rather than following the biblical admonition to take every thought and action captive to the obedience of Jesus Christ.

     It must be clearly understood that every time you hear someone rant or rail that it is inherently "unfair" or "legalistic" to have rules pertaining to clothing, that such individuals are directly and unequivocally attacking the Lordship of Jesus Christ. Whether they realize it or not, they are in effect saying: "My dress standard is a neutral zone. Jesus does not speak to this issue."

     Of course, it is entirely possible to be legalistic. The legalist is one who creates laws and rules foreign to Scripture by which he hopes to bind the consciences of men. Alternatively, he is that individual who teaches that one's entrance to Heaven is predicated on submission to a code of conduct. These teachings of the legalist are contra Scripture.

     The real choice in the debate over standards of dress is not between legalism and license, but between God as lawgiver or man as lawgiver. Once that debate is settled, and the Lordship of Christ is freely and boldly proclaimed over our dress standards, then we can get about the business of studying the Scripture to discern how we can wisely apply the many diverse and relevant principles revealed in Scripture to the issue at hand.

     Because the Bible teaches a doctrine the Reformers called "the sufficiency of Scripture" (namely, that God has given us in Scripture all we need for our faith and practice), we can be absolutely confident that the Bible is sufficient for us to know how we are to dress in a Christ-honoring manner relative to our culture, our gender, and our station in life.

     Implicit to this notion is the idea that there may be an infinite number of God-honoring approaches to dress, relative to a specific culture, as well as an infinite number of Christ-dishonoring approaches to dress. The critical issue will be applying the unchanging principles, precepts, and normative patterns of Scripture to the ever changing facts of our cultural circumstances.

     One of the most important of these issues to be addressed is the question of modesty and nakedness. The Bible has much to say on this issue. In fact, the Bible begins in Genesis 3 with the revelation that fallen man is to be covered, and that public nakedness is a sin. In past centuries, Christian peoples were often noted for their modesty, and heathen peoples for their immodesty. Today, the line between the professing Christian and the savage tribesman has become increasingly blurred, as more and more "Christian" people resort not only to the pagan practices of scarification, tattoos and body mutilation, but have thrown off the "restraints" of modest dress in favor of the trendy and the physically revealing. The result is that modern America has been publicly undressed. What is worse, Americans have come to think of nakedness as normal and acceptable, even preferable.

     This brings me to one of the latest releases from Vision Forum, entitled Christian Modesty and the Public Undressing of America. The author, Jeff Pollard, is a brave man. He has dared to tackle one of the great sacred cows of modern Christianity, and in so doing he has risked censure, disapproval and subjecting himself to the inevitable cries of "legalism." To this I retort, "Thanks be to God for raising up men who will speak the truth in love," which is exactly what Jeff does.

     With winsome gentleness, but uncompromising boldness, Jeff Pollard helps modern Christians to understand the historic origins of our modern trend towards nakedness, and the implications of these trends on the people of America. This is a critical book for any parent who hopes to raise his sons and daughters to remain morally pure in a culture that worships the flesh. If you would like to read more about Christian Modesty and the Public Undressing of America, click here.


                              Blessings, 

       
                              Doug Phillips
                              President, The Vision Forum, Inc. 
 
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  From:  Rtartan   4/24/2002 7:12 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (3 of 49)  
 
  376.3 in reply to 376.2  
 
This is a good word on a good subject. 
In a related subject, has there been any discussion of Headcovering a la I Corinthians 11 in recent days? 

Artie
 
  
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  From:  123four   4/25/2002 11:42 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 49)  
 
  376.4 in reply to 376.1  
 
What a wonderful childhood happening! I 
don't know if there are still those type 
dresses, but I do think we should dress 
clean and modestly. That's what God ask 
and that doesn't seem a lot to ask, does it? 
oh, and of course , not to wear men's clothes. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 3:52 pm  
To:  123four   (5 of 49)  
 
  376.5 in reply to 376.4  
 
Hi 123four,

 

Its Always a pleasure to read your posts J!

 

This is one of those topics that seems to get debates started but I dont really see how this is even a debatable topic.

 

Some would like to say that dress is a cultural issue. In part it is but not any more of a cultural issue that good manners or good behavior, and besides this behavior is directed at God and not at man.

 

I find it so interesting that we last day Christians are most interested in how far away from God we can walk and still be a Christian. We want to know the outer limits on, music, movies, TV, books, magazines, sex, tattoos, body piercing, you name it we are looking at the extreme the extreme worldly part. But in much contrast the early Christians were also extreme they were extreme in separating themselves from the world, in standing up to the world in denying self and helping others and loving their enemies, extreme in that many of them openly wanted to be martyred as an expression of faith and love to Jesus.

 

I think that when the Church is Ruptured and we get to heaven that we are going to be embarrassed when we enter into the presence of God, the Holy Angels and the Holy Saints. I mean what kind of fellowship could we possible have with them when they tell us about how bold they were and our only story is about how we boldly told off another Christian who had the backbone to tell us to drink a little less from the cistern of this world.

 

I agree with you a little moderation isnt too much to ask for and it is certainly a way for the word to know who we are. There will always be Christians that are full of tattoos and piercing and there should always be, but it should be their testimony from their past walk with the world and of how they are changed and not their testimony of how little they actually care about the Holy nature of God.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Hamilton109   4/26/2002 5:32 pm  
To:  Rtartan unread  (6 of 49)  
 
  376.6 in reply to 376.3  
 
Since this has come up a few times on other fora as well, let me give you some links that deal with this. 

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{Links Edited out - by David, Basic Christian} 

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That ought to keep everybody busy for a while. 

Both Modesty and Headcovering are covered in depth in all these sites. My guess however is that few will click on these links, because it just may distrub people's prejudices and expectations, and most people don't like that. 




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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 5:56 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (7 of 49)  
 
  376.7 in reply to 376.6  
 
Hi Hamilton,

 

I took the liberty of removing the seven or so links that you so thoughtfully provided.

 

I know I would be upset L too if someone deleted my links but following are the reasons why I reluctantly did it.

 

This topic is not about head coverings nor is it about submissive wives, which comprise the entirety of the links.

 

This post topic is intended every bit as much for us men and our dress and behavior as it is for women and we men are even more guilty than women because we constantly look at them which is another topic altogether.

 

Finally I have declined to post several links to other sites because it is a journey to Pop-up Purgatory, and several of those links are just such pop-up sites. It is kind of an unwritten rule that a link here is an easy-in easy-out link and not a snare.

 

As always anyone can e-mail you through your Delphi Profile and request the links.

 

Again Sorry,

And have an otherwise Blessed Day!

David



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 6:24 pm  
To:  ALL   (8 of 49)  
 
  376.8 in reply to 376.1  
 
To All,

 

A note of clarification.

 

Not All of my Sunday School teachers wore the Granny Dress. I think that in the first post I made it sound like all of them did.

 

Sorry for any confusion,

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Hamilton109   4/26/2002 6:55 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (9 of 49)  
 
  376.9 in reply to 376.7  
 
Aside from the issue of Priestly Garb, is there any other clothing issue discussed in the bible more that headcovering? 
There is not. 

Is the concept of modesty inextricably linked scripturally to both submission and headcovering? 

They are. 

Even if I accept the suposition that they are NOT connected, MUCH of what was there related directly to modesty in itself. 

Now what will happen is that either people will e-mail me for links, and I will have to respond, or people who might otherwise have clicked on to visit, will not bother to e-mail me. 

Neither is good. 

Please reconsider. Thank you.
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 7:15 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (10 of 49)  
 
  376.10 in reply to 376.9  
 
Hi Hamilton,

 

The topic is about how we dress our bodies not about the hat that we choose wear on our heads.

 

I think attention is being diverted away from the topic in that the point then becomes either wear a head covering or wear what ever you want to wear. But there is a middle ground in that just because someone doesnt physically wear a head covering, (the physical head covering is a Representation of the actual Spiritual covering of God), people are still required by God via Scripture to dress in a modest fashion.

 

I do look forward to you comments about the trend of society to dress in the most provocative of ways and what the Christian response and attitude should be regarding clothing.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  123four   4/26/2002 7:59 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (11 of 49)  
 
  376.11 in reply to 376.5  
 
No, I don't see modesty as a debatable issue at all. 
Even if it weren't in the scripture to dress modestly 
I believe most Christians would want to, just because 
we know that our bodies are the temple of God and 
that we are looked at by those who are not Christians 
as to examples. No matter what culture of dress a 
person is in-there is always a way to cover our bodies 
so that we are obedient to God and we are not ashamed 
of ourselves as we present God to the world.  
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 8:07 pm  
To:  123four   (12 of 49)  
 
  376.12 in reply to 376.11  
 
Hi 123four,

 

For the Record Im in complete agreement with you, and I didnt think that you were here starting to debate.

 

Isnt there a saying Its not what I said its what I meant anyhow I meant to agree with you, and I do.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Star (ElderSage)    4/26/2002 8:45 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (13 of 49)  
 
  376.13 in reply to 376.1  
 
Another question might be better and easier to answer, that being, "what should one not wear". To me the answer would be, "anything revealing enough to "turn on" the opposite sex. On second thought though even that really depends on the culture. For example, in the Victorian era a bare female ankle was considered a "turn on", today that would not be the case. I'm afraid this issue cannot be unlinked from culture which makes it a difficult if not impossible question to answer. Maybe there is no all encompassing carved in stone answer for everyone, which would mean its really up to the individual.
"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything" 
  
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  From:  123four   4/26/2002 9:30 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (14 of 49)  
 
  376.14 in reply to 376.12  
 
oh lol I knew you didn't want a debate. 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/26/2002 9:35 pm  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (15 of 49)  
 
  376.15 in reply to 376.13  
 
Hi,

 

It really is up to the individual as to how they want to dress but the focus shouldnt be on dressing for mans approval but rather on dressing for Gods approval, so who cares if people approve or disapprove of what you wear or do, what matters is does God approve.

 

Just look at the Muslim women here in America they wear their wraps even though it literally looks like a giant sore thumb a bandaged one at that. Yet they do it to please Allah and not Mr. America.

 

The Muslim women dont care about what the world thinks about them.

 

On the other hand, the current fashion for violent street gangs is to wear giant oversized cross necklaces. Its bad enough that we Christians dress like the world but now the criminal world is steeling our most prized possession the symbol of the cross of Jesus all because Christians dont think enough about Jesus to even wear his cross anymore, the cross is quickly becoming a non-Christian symbol a symbol of Rock Bands, Satanists and Gangs.

 

But hey we Christians still have the fashions of the world to fall back on while the world is busy desecrating our most sacred items.

 

All the Best!

David



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  From:  123four   4/26/2002 9:42 pm  
To:  Star (ElderSage)    (16 of 49)  
 
  376.16 in reply to 376.13  
 
As I see it, modesty does not mean a dress or culture or attitude 
that is for the purpose of protecting men from their own lust. 
Rather, modesty is not what one should NOT wear actually. It is 
that we should ALL (this means MEN and WOMEN)be modest. God does 
not suggest that men may be immodest and then ask the women to protect him from his own lust. No.We want to dress modestly or with 
our bodies covered so that we know God will be pleased with us and 
we will not look like people of the world. Would you think I was a Christian if I wore a bikini to the grocery store? Would I think it 
modest attire if a man wore a bikini ? no. Even wearing a burka could not keep some men from lust. That is not the responsibility of women entirely. Men are required by God to keep their hearts and mind on whatever is pure, whatever is holy, whatever is true,etc etc. Women on the other hand , are not required to police or patrol men to see that they do.We are all equally responsible. One would have no idea what 'turns on' the opposite sex, as you say. We need to use good old 
common sense and when we know God, there is no problem at all in knowing what is modest. 
  
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  From:  Hamilton109   4/29/2002 11:23 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (17 of 49)  
 
  376.17 in reply to 376.10  
 
Then would you mind if I started a different thread? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    4/29/2002 4:18 pm  
To:  Hamilton109   (18 of 49)  
 
  376.18 in reply to 376.17  
 
Please do!

I Intended to offer that solution..

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Chuchulainn   4/30/2002 2:46 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (19 of 49)  
 
  376.19 in reply to 376.5  
 
Somehow I think that Jesus is beyond emephreal appearences... 
:-)
 
  
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   From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/14/2002 2:44 pm  
To:  123four   (20 of 49)  
 
  376.20 in reply to 376.4  
 
Hi, hon! 
what do you think defines "men's clothes"?

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From:  123four   5/22/2002 10:18 am  
To:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    (21 of 49)  
 
  376.21 in reply to 376.20  
 
Read my posts # 4 and 11 
I define 'men clothes' as 'men's clothes'. 
  
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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/22/2002 10:57 am  
To:  123four   (22 of 49)  
 
  376.22 in reply to 376.21  
 
Unfortunately, that does't answer my question. 
What defines men's clothing? pants? Short hair? I'm sure both of us could come up with exceptions to that.

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  From:  123four   5/22/2002 11:03 am  
To:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    (23 of 49)  
 
  376.23 in reply to 376.22  
 
Go to a department store. Ask a clerk where the men's clothing department is. Go there. Look around. Study what you see on the racks. 
Those are men's clothes. Next stop...go to the women's clothing department. Look at the women's clothes on the rack. Those are women's clothes. 
God does not permit cross dressers. 

I don't consider how hair is styled a part of clothing, actually. 
To me that is another thing. 

God wants women to look like women, so that if you see me walking down the street, you would not have to scratch your head and look a few more times to see if I am a man...judging from the clothes I wear. 
Got it?
 
  
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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/22/2002 11:09 am  
To:  123four   (24 of 49)  
 
  376.24 in reply to 376.23  
 
When you walk into the store, what country are you in? What is your culture? You see, it isn't as cut & dried as that.I see African men walking around wearing shirts longer than some of my dresses, down past their knees, with what looks like bloomers underneith. My husband is from a family that is Scottish, they wear kilts on special occasions 9Scottish festivals and the like.) Are they cross-dressing?

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  From:  123four   5/22/2002 11:20 am  
To:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    (25 of 49)  
 
  376.25 in reply to 376.24  
 
One is cross dressing if they are dressing with effort to wear the opposite sex clothing and to look like they are a member of the opposite sex. Cross dressers make a decision to do this. They like it. 
Ever hear or know anyone who is a cross dresser? They want to argue against it, and won't give it up. They find a way to make it seem right. But then the ways of man may seem right to him, but the end thereof is death (spiritual death). Best to do things God's way, don't you think? 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    5/22/2002 11:21 am  
To:  ALL   (26 of 49)  
 
  376.26 in reply to 376.24  
 
Am I missing the Love and Charity in this discussion because there doesnt seem to be any.

 

As with any controversial subject it should be discussed in an edifying way so people can be uplifted and Praising Jesus.

 

Thank You.

 

God Bless you,

David



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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/22/2002 11:25 am  
To:  123four   (27 of 49)  
 
  376.27 in reply to 376.25  
 
Ok, now we are in agreement. :-) 
I think we can leave out all the wives wearing their hubby's old shirts! LOL 
(My sister's hubby just gave me all his old Oxford-style shirts - they are sooooo comfy with jeans! LOL)

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  From:  *I* am the ringleader of this circus! (SKATERBABS)    5/22/2002 11:26 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (28 of 49)  
 
  376.28 in reply to 376.26  
 
I'm sorry if I came off as abrupt, David. 123four and I know each other form another forum. :-)

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  From:  123four   5/22/2002 11:27 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (29 of 49)  
 
  376.29 in reply to 376.26  
 
Truth is, I really don't like to get hung up on semantics. Christians all know in their own hearts what is a way to dress to glorify God..to not make Him ashamed of us. We all know exactly what would ruin our witness and what would displease God. Maybe I have been thru this discussion too many times. I won't answer again. 
  
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  From:  123four   5/27/2002 2:07 am  
To:  Chuchulainn unread  (30 of 49)  
 
  376.30 in reply to 376.19  
 
He isn't beyond modesty, and His Word says so. 
  
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  From:  Connie (EXREA)    6/18/2002 4:21 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (31 of 49)  
 
  376.31 in reply to 376.1  
 
As I have said in other forums on this topic........

I prefer to wear the full armor of God!


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/19/2002 6:52 am  
To:  Connie (EXREA)    (32 of 49)  
 
  376.32 in reply to 376.31  
 
There you go!

 

Thats the preferable dress, that and the garment of Praise.

 

Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called  trees  of righteousness,  the planting  of the LORD,  that he might be glorified.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Connie (EXREA)    6/19/2002 8:42 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (33 of 49)  
 
  376.33 in reply to 376.32  
 
>>Isaiah 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called  trees  of righteousness,  the planting  of the LORD,  that he might be glorified.<<

I like that scripture, thanks for lighting that one up to me! 

 


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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/19/2002 12:07 pm  
To:  Connie (EXREA)    (34 of 49)  
 
  376.34 in reply to 376.33  
 
Your Welcome :o),

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Connie (EXREA)    6/26/2002 8:15 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (36 of 49)  
 
  376.36 in reply to 376.1  
 
David, 

Thank you for deleting that vile post.  I reported it to Delphi TOS as well.  Pls, Lock that person out as well.

Thanks again

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/26/2002 8:18 am  
To:  ALL   (37 of 49)  
 
  376.37 in reply to 376.34  
 
Hi,

 

The Previous post was deleted due to inappropriate content.

 

My apologies to anyone who had to endure it.

 

Thanks for those who did report it to me and to Delphi as a TOS violation.

 

I also reported the poster to Delphiforums as a TOS violator and of course the poster is locked from the forum.

 

Here is some of the reading that I was doing in my morning devotions this morning. It is so marvelous that God is for us so who can be against us!

 

Nehemiah 13:2 .. howbeit our God turned the curse into a Blessing.

 

I will continue to do everything that I can to keep this forum appropriate for Christians.

 

God Bless you,

Have a wonderful day,

David



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  From:  Connie (EXREA)    6/26/2002 8:29 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (38 of 49)  
 
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Agian I say Thank you!!

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/26/2002 8:51 am  
To:  ALL   (39 of 49)  
 
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Hi,

 

I reported in my e-mail to TOS that Delphiforums must remain family safe in order for Christian forums to remain on Delphi.

 

If I dont get a response from Delphiforums I will hold Delphi accountable for this.

 

Im sure this wasnt the first time that this poster was reported to TOS.

 

Also Im going to contact some of the other Christian forums and see if we cant stand together on this issue. Im thinking that if Delphiforums doesnt respond to the TOS report that we should have several Christian forum hosts and supporters also complain to Delphi. Im just basing this on past experience with Delphiforums in that they are very slow to act in anything that doesnt involve their best interests.

 

And if anyone has already dealt with this issue or knows any other Christian forums that have already dealt with this please e-mail me.

 

I personally dont think that the Christian forums need to be standing alone we need to be supporting one another.

 

God Bless you,

David



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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    6/26/2002 9:30 am  
To:  ALL   (40 of 49)  
 
  376.40 in reply to 376.39  
 
I just received a reply e-mail from Delphi TOS.

 

It was as I figured it would be a decline by Delphiforums to take action for one reason or another.

 

Delphiforums said that we need to keep the post so that they can view it, by moving it or even the entire thread to a different folder.

 

I guess it is a lesson learned. If you ever have a forum and want to report a TOS move the post or the entire thread to a non-public view folder (which this forum doesnt have, yet) then Delphiforums can actually view the post and determine yet another reason not to act on the behalf of families and decency.

 

I think that still the best course of action is for us to look out for one another and to immediately e-mail the host of any forum that is being offended.

 

I visited a Christian forum one time and a similar picture had been on there for three days, I immediately informed the host, so dont presume that someone else has reported it.

 

On the whole I think that Delphiforums is doing a really good job running their web site but there are improvements that can be made and they do need to take action to protect the image and reputation of their website.

 

Thanks again for all of your patience and understanding!

 

God Bless You,

David



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From:  WendyJM1    7/2/2002 6:12 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (41 of 49)  
 
  376.41 in reply to 376.40  
 
David - good topic... so many of those Godly women and men that 'touched my heart' early on were wearing modest clothing... but I think there was a deeper aspect, that made more of an impact for me.  A couple of verses that bring this to mind are:

1Pet 3:4:  "...but let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price..."

That humility and Christ-like character which i am sure was developed out of much time in prayer for us 'unruly' ones :-)  was life-changing... (we didn't know it at the time though)...

the second verses are:

"...let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another. ...  It is good neither to eat flesh nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak..." (Rom.14:20-21)

"...We then that are strong ought to bear the infirmities of the weak, and not to please ourselves...  For even Christ pleased not himself..." (Rom.15:1-3)

This was what stayed with me for years later - when we were young in the Lord and were argumentative about "what WE wanted"... these older brethren and sisters were always aware of the fact that what THEY wore and what THEY said could/would 'stumble' us and they took great care to not do this - but to focus on Christ alone.  If 'something' (whatever it is) gets in the way of teaching/helping other believers... or leading someone to Christ - then it HAS to go...

I hope this isn't too wordy... sometimes I just have difficulty getting thoughts completely across :-)

In Christ

Wendy (http://forums.delphiforums.com/Realife1/start)

 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/3/2002 8:33 am  
To:  WendyJM1    (42 of 49)  
 
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Hi Wendy,

 

Nice to hear from you!

 

Good point we are teaching through our actions just as much, or even more, than through our words.

 

Have a great 4th of July Holiday.

 

Celebrating True Independence and Freedom in Jesus Christ.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  PCalltheway   7/25/2002 8:39 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (43 of 49)  
 
  376.43 in reply to 376.1  
 
Yeah right, an all powerful supposed creator of everything was just sitting in the dark and thought of light?? The bible is full of such impossible fairytales---yiou shouldn't be spreading such tales as fact, when you have no fact, but this is just a board attended by about only 4 or 5 people who have already swallowed such silliness, so I guess not much harm done----Fred ! 
 
  
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/25/2002 8:53 am  
To:  PCalltheway unread  (45 of 49)  
 
  376.45 in reply to 376.43  
 
Hi,

 

The Bible doesnt say that God was sitting in the dark.

 

The Bible does say that God created a Light that people could then see.

 

As humans we cannot See or Hear the entire Visual or Audio spectrum. So I think that it is best to be aware that we are limited in scope and to be Respectful of what we cannot physically encounter i.e. the Spiritual Realm.

 

God Bless You,

David



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  From:  Happy (ILoveSinging)    7/25/2002 5:03 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (46 of 49)  
 
  376.46 in reply to 376.1  
 
i wish we didn't have to wear any clothing at all :)  
  
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  From:  Petros (Petr05)   7/28/2002 10:42 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (47 of 49)  
 
  376.47 in reply to 376.1  
 
John Wesley translating the words of Count Zinzendorf wrote- 
Jesus, thy blood and righteousness 
My beauty are,my glorious dress; 
'Midst flaming worlds, in these arrayed, 
With joy shall I lift up my head. 

Bold shall I stand in that great day, 
And who aught to my charge shall lay? 
Fully absolved from these I am, 
From sin and fear, from guilt and shame. 

When from the dust of death I rise, 
To claim my mansion in the skies, 
E'en then shall this be all my plea, 
"Jesus hath lived, and died, for me." 

This spotless robe the same appears, 
When ruined nature sinks in years; 
No age can change it's glorious hue, 
The robe of Christ is ever new. 

Oh, let the dead now hear Thy voice, 
Bid, Lord< thy banished ones rejoice; 
Their beauty this, their glorious dress, 
Jesus, the Lord our Righteousness! 

Except we are cleansed on the inside, that which covers the outside merely covers our nakedness from mankind, we remain naked before the LORD our God. Yet our joy surely must be that we are cleansed by the shed blood, and clothed in the righteousness, of Jesus Christ? 
 
  
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  From:  Petros (Petr05)   7/28/2002 10:44 am  
To:  Happy (ILoveSinging)   unread  (48 of 49)  
 
  376.48 in reply to 376.46  
 
Angel ~ in the bath you do not need to wear clothes - and you can sing there too. ;0) 
  
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   From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/28/2002 9:28 pm  
To:  Petros (Petr05)   (49 of 49)  
 
  376.49 in reply to 376.47  
 
Hi Petros,

 

The Count Zinzendorf  quote is quite impressive.

 

Thank you for the wonderful blessing and for your insight.

 

God Bless You,

David



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